That’s right. It’s the Enneagram Valentine!
And it’s just for you.
Remember, this was THE TEST:
(provided by Lex a few days ago)
Instructions: Choose the one from each group that BEST/MOST suits you.
GROUP I
A. I have tended to be fairly independent and assertive: I’ve felt that life works best when you meet it head-on. I set my own goals, get involved, and want to make things happen. I don’t like sitting around–I want to achieve something big and have an impact. I don’t necessarily seek confrontations, but I don’t let people push me around, either. Most of the time I know what I want, and I go for it. I tend to work hard and play hard.
B. I have tended to be quiet and am used to being on my own. I usually don’t draw much attention to myself socially, and it’s generally unusual for me to assert myself all that forcefully. I don’t feel comfortable taking the lead or being as competitive as others. Many would probably say that I’m something of a dreamer–a lot of my excitement goes on in my imagination. I can be quite content without feeling I have to be active all the time.
C. I have tended to be extremely responsible and dedicated. I feel terrible if I don’t keep my commitments and do what’s expected of me. I want people to know that I’m there for them and that I’ll do what I believe is best for them. I’ve often made great personal sacrifices for the sake of others, whether they know it or not. I often don’t take adequate care of myself–I do the work that needs to be done and relax (and do what I really want) if there’s time left.
GROUP II
X. I am a person who usually maintains a positive outlook and feels that things will work out for the best. I can usually find something to be enthusiastic about and different ways to occupy myself. I like being around people and helping others to be happy–I enjoy sharing my own well-being with them. (I don’t always feel great, but I try not to show it to anyone!) However, staying positive has sometimes meant that I’ve put off dealing with my own problems for too long.
Y. I am a person who has strong feelings about things–most people can tell when I’m unhappy about something. I can be guarded with people, but I’m more sensitive than I let on. I want to know where I stand with others and who and what I can count on–it’s pretty clear to most people where they stand with me. When I’m upset about something, I want others to respond and to get as worked up as I am. I know the rules, but I don’t want people telling me what to do. I want to decide for myself.
Z. I tend to be self-controlled and logical–I am uncomfortable dealing with feelings. I am efficient–even perfectionistic–and prefer working on my own. When there are problems or personal conflicts, I try not to bring my feelings into the situation. Some say I’m too cool and detached, but I don’t want my emotional reactions to distract me from what’s really important to me. I usually don’t show my reactions when others “get to me.”
And here’s THE KEY:
(In case you don’t want to do anything thinking at all, I’m going to tell you your specific results right after the Key.)
AX – 7
AY – 8
AZ – 3
BX – 9
BY – 4
BZ – 5
CX – 2
CY – 6
CZ – 1
So that means . . .
CZ = One
That’s Trev!
Trev’s Original Thoughts:
I tried identifying myself according to the descriptions on 9types. I am definitely a 9, but I don’t feel I identify much with 8 or 1 (well maybe 1 a little), and I feel I have some 4-ish tendencies, and that doesn’t connect.
Trev’s Online Test Results from 9types:
I just took the test on 9types, and had equal score, 7, on 9 and 3. My lowest scores were on 6, 7, & 8. I scored 4 on types 1 & 2, 5 on 4, and 6 on 5. Which tells me the same thing that I think other test have told me, that I feel like a pretty mixed bag. Either that, or I just don’t take these tests well :)
Trev’s Comment After Taking the Paragraph Test:
I definitely identified most strongly with C and Z.
READ ABOUT THE ONE:
- Enneagram Central (Intimate Subtype, Social Subtype, Self-Preservation Subtype)
- 9types (follow side bar links to other descriptions)
- Enneagram Worldwide (Key Themes, Practices for Growth)
- Enneagram Institute
BY = Four
That’s Lex! (Even though he didn’t take this test via For the Record, I can use my deductive reasoning skills to conclude that he answered BY.)
Lex’s Online Test Results:
Yeah, there was one online test (one of the ones that gives you numbers for each style) that gave me a tie (!?) between Four and Seven, but I’ve never not been a Four. I’m a pretty plain, stereotypical Four, though, without much of a wing.
That’s Me!
My Online Test Results at Enneagram Central, 9types, & Various Other Venues:
Four, Four, Four, Four with a Five Wing, etc.
Others’ Comments in Regard to My Paragraph Test Results:
Jan: “Katy, you are SO BY and you are much less likely to take care of yourself. I believe that’s called long-suffering. “
My Comments Regarding Being a Four:
My Comment Regarding Being a Four with a Five Wing:
I loved college. I love knowledge. I like remembering and “rehearsing” details, so I can hold on to moments and feelings and have a better sense of myself and my relationships. (I think that’s Four integrating/disintegrating to One.) I like doing well and receiving affirmation from those I respect. In HS and college, I liked doing well in the face of being told that my methods wouldn’t work. I like doing things my own way and having it acknowledged as creative and effective. I feel guilty when I disappoint people I love, but I really like learning and doing well because of how it shapes my identity. I like using what I learn to better understand myself, my past, and my relationships and to help others now. I get nostalgic about my college days, both for the learning and the relationships they held. Sometimes, I get wistful about getting a PhD and becoming a professor. I love literature for its inherent beauty and revelation of humanity, including its mysterious connection to me and its ability to reflect my feelings.
READ ABOUT THE FOUR:
- Enneagram Central (Intimate Subtype, Social Subtype, Self-Preservation Subtype)
- 9types (follow side bar links to other descriptions)
- Enneagram Worldwide (Key Themes, Practices for Growth)
- Enneagram Institute
CY= Six
That’s JSmo!
JSmo’s Online Test Results from Enneagram Central:
The first time I took the test, going from Lex’s blog, it said I’m a 1 and called it “The Critic”, which is different from the diagram I see posted here. I’ll go take it again later (hopefully when there’s not a baby screaming at the top of her lungs) and chime back in. Kev has redeemed his Netflix gift and hijacked the computer for the weekend! He’s in the middle of a documentary and will want to get back to it upon Claire’s nap!
JSmo’s Online Test Results from 9types:
A. Okay, Katy, I just took the other/quick test which came back tie-scored on 1 and 2, with also 3 being high…so I think you’re probably right about me!
B. I took the test on 9types again and came back as a 2, with a 1, then 3.
JSmo’s Comment After Taking the Paragraph Test:
My short answer: C,Y
Okay, on Group 1, I am mostly paragraph C, although I also have quite a bit of A in me as well. Paragraph C resonates with both my authentic and professional/social selves most of the time. I am not at all paragraph B, in any form or fashion.Now, Group II is another story. Not to be complicated, but I think paragraph Y probably most accurately describes me out of the paragraphs written but not to a “T”. From “Z” I am also self-controlled and very logical, a definate perfectionist, and I enjoy working on my own, especially if I want something to be done “right”. But, I am not detached or cool. In fact, I probably am engaged to a fault at times.
This is where I really like MBTI. I am a person who experiences a wide range of emotions, and I often feel those emotions very intensely; but I don’t make decisions based on emotions. That is why I am a definate “T” (thinker) instead of an “F” (feeler). That specific item is based on decision making, not whether or not a person really experiences emotion. Kev is also a “T”, but his emotional range is usually much smaller than mine. In addition, the MBTI can show how a person will react under stress. My type, specifically, will move into feeling/emotion mode instead of thinking/logical mode. The Eenogram probably does something similar (?).
That’s Jan!
Jan’s Online Test Results from Enneagram Central:
I’m a 1, Katy.
Jan’s Comment After Taking the Paragraph Test:
Y really says alot about me and most of C. I think I take care of myself….sometimes even before the sacrifice! And I will get out of a situation before I suffer too much. It’s funny that Jen is similar to me…but I was never in a sorority or club because of the social demands. I WAS in BSU, tho.
READ ABOUT THE SIX:
- Enneagram Central (Intimate Subtype, Social Subtype, Self-Preservation Subtype)
- 9types (follow side bar links to other descriptions)
- Enneagram Worldwide (Key Themes, Practices for Growth)
- Enneagram Institute
AX = 7
That’s Steve!
Steve’s Online Test Results from Enneagram Central:
I’m a 9. Really? That’s what it says.
So are my “wings” the numbers connected to the 9 by lines…thus 3 and 6? So a peacemaker with achiever and loyalist tendencies…yeah, that sounds about right, if I’m reading it right.
Steve’s Comment After Taking the Paragraph Test:
Group I: A (Although I thought a lot about C. A LOT. But in the end, I gave A the edge.)
Group II: X
READ ABOUT THE SEVEN:
- Enneagram Central (Intimate Subtype, Social Subtype, Self-Preservation Subtype)
- 9types (follow side bar links to other descriptions)
- Enneagram Worldwide (Key Themes, Practices for Growth)
- Enneagram Institute
What does all this compiled info tell us? I don’t know. I guess that only Fours should be allowed to take these test unsupervised. We are the most in-tune with our feelings, after all.
So, tell us, what do you think about your results . . . and the results of other people?
Feel free to weigh in on me or disagree with me or give us new information, too!
And remember, I’m not an expert!
While you’re thinking about it, try to remember a few things so you can get a more comprehensive view of what your number looks like and whether or not it really matches up with you:
1. Each style on the Enneagram has two wing options. Those are the numbers on either side of your number. You may “borrow” a few or many qualities from one of those wing numbers, more so than the other. If you do, that’s your wing. Your personality, therefore, is made up, of MOST of the qualities listed with your number and a handful of the qualities listed with your dominate wing number.
2. No, you DO NOT have to have a wing. You can have a balanced number of qualities from each wing option. Or you can have no qualities from either wing option.
3. Each number on the Enneagram correlates with two other numbers — the two numbers to which it is connected via lines. (So: One connects with Seven & Four. Four connects with One & Two. Six connects with Nine & Three. Seven connects with One & Five.) These two points are your Growth and Stress points. (JSmo, that’s the answer to your question about the Enneagram considering stress like the MBTI. By the way, I think knowing your MBTI type might help you identify your Enneagram style and better understand how the Enneagram works for you and the people you care about.)
At your best (healthy, relaxed) and your worst (unhealthy, stressed), you will display qualities similar to those of your Growth and Stress points. You’ll see this referred to as “integrating” and “disintegrating” in Enneagram literature.
For example, I am a Four. When I am relaxed, I can integrate the orderly qualities of a healthy One in order to accomplish a given task, even one of the creative tasks typical of a Four, or to test my (often correct) emotions with sound healthy One-style reasoning. When I’m healthy, I can be giving and compassionate like a healthy Two. When I’m stressed, I can disintegrate to the unhealthy One by demanding perfection. When I’m unhealthy, I can become a self-absorbed Four who is like an unhealthy Two, codependent and sacrificial while harboring resentment or manipulative intentions.
I like to use the word “filter” in referring to Growth/Stress points. If I’m relaxed or stressed, I may be behaving like a One or Two, but I’m doing it through the “filter” of a Four.
You see?
4. I don’t know much about subtypes. But I do know that each style has three subtypes: Self-preservation, Intimate/Sexual, and Social. In other words, how that style relates with self, a few, and many. From what I understand, it’s common for people to have a dominate subtype. So, if you’re reading about the Seven and you think, “That’s not me.” It’s possible that you’re reading a summation written by/focused towards a Social Seven, when you are more of an Intimate Seven. It’s also possible that you may have many things in common with another Seven you know, but still see yourself differently from him/her in a few key ways. You may be an Intimate Seven. The other person might be a Social Seven. Try to read about each of the subtypes before dismissing the style as not representing you.
5. No, I don’t think you have to have a dominate subtype. From what I’ve read so far, I identify with all three of the Four subtypes, but on different levels. I highly identify with the Intimate and Self-Preservation subtype Fours. I somewhat identify with the Social subtype Four. (I’m a Five wing. I’m not so social to begin with! But I can be quite good at it when I want to.)
6. The heart of the Enneagram isn’t characteristics. It’s motivation. It’s looking at what motivates you to behave, think, and feel a certain way and what motivates other people to behave, think, and feel in other ways. The goal, then, is to relate with each other better AND to relate better with yourself, to help you recognize your weaknesses and your strengths and to get to “healthy,” if you’re not already there. (If you are, it’s still good to know what struggles you’re prone to have.) It’s not so much about avoiding your weaknesses and “essential flaw/sin” as it is about reworking your weaknesses and “essential flaw/sin” into strengths. It’s learning to use what motivates you in a positive way. (Read what Lex had to say recently about the Enneagram and flaws.)
So for me, as a Four, I can learn not to doubt my strong feelings (Fours are usually intuitive) or take on false blame/responsibility for other people’s actions and feelings that are created when I express my feelings (Fours often feel guilty). That can encourage me as a Four with a Five wing, who is often guarded and reserved, to share what I feel passionately about and to stand up for myself when I should. Of course, that doesn’t mean that I should throw reason out the window and go around forcing myself and my way just because I’m an emotional Four who deserves it. That would be just as unhealthy.
Remember, I’m healthiest when I’m integrating the orderly, reasonable qualities of the One and the compassionate, giving qualities of the Two. That means I’m using my sensitivity, feelings, creativity, and intuition in the best way — to take care of (and express and enjoy) myself and to take care of (and enjoy) people (and help them understand and express their emotions and creativity too).
7. We’re prone to see our unhealthy/negative qualities first. Don’t let that keep you from seeing the good ones too!
8. We all probably have some qualities from each of the styles. In order to figure out which one best represents you, ask yourself, “Which one has the MOST qualities like me and has a motivation that I often experience?” And, remember, you don’t have to have ALL the qualities of your style. Just most.
13 Comments
February 14, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Hmmm…very interesting. Why do you think several of us scored differently on the “statements” tests than the “paragraph” test? Jan, you and I both scored as “1″ on some of the other tests and as “6″ on this one; what do you think of yourself as a “6″?
I suppose if we’re looking at the Enneagram as an indicator of motivation, the Social Six fits me.
However, there are several characteristics that are not at all like me, such as procrasitnating, having difficulty making decisions, being a groupie, having trouble acting or getting started, being distrusting, excessively worrying. And I often do prefer being a leader, not a groupie.
Between the two subtypes, I’m definately more “phobic” (why they choose a negative descripter I don’t know) because I tend to respect authority/rules and highly value security. I do NOT seek danger; in fact, I go to great lengths to avoid it. This could give insight into why “fear” itself has always been my arch-enemy.
I am most definately motivated out of loyalty and security. I am devoted to tradition.
I am not at all the description of the Intimate Six or the Self Preservation Six. I don’t know exactly what that means. I’m not sure how I could be classified as a certain type and be opposite to its subtypes. That’s probably just because I don’t know enough about the Enneagram.
All of this has been intersting to consider! Thanks for your compilation, Katy!
Now, if we could just get Chris and Kevin to take the test….
February 14, 2008 at 4:13 pm
JSmo, I’m not sure about the differences. Maybe there’s some literature that addresses that.
I agree that the Six motivator suits you & that some of the characteristics don’t match. You definitely like to take the lead (No kicking! No splashing! No screaming!) but you also really enjoy/need community. Think about the difference between now and before you & Kevin got involved w/ your small group. I don’t think you’re distrusting of people you know. But you’re often concerned about people you don’t know — i.e. men in parking lots, the people you need your security system to protect against. (Yes. I agree it’s good to be aware! I’m my father’s child too.)
Which subtype is the phobic? Are you sure you’re looking at the 3 subtypes & not an article that addresses the Six as a whole? I don’t know much about the subtypes either. My general understanding is that they aren’t “against” the style. They’re just more pointed descriptions of specific individuals w/in the style. Each style has some fluidity in regard to its “members,” as we each have different experiences & tastes. The subtypes allow for that & for the fact that you don’t have to have each & every style quality for it to be your style. Just most.
Loyalty & security are big motivators for you! If you are a Six, I wonder if your desire to be safe & secure displays itself in an orderliness (that resembles the One’s). Think about it: Maybe doing things a specific way helps you feel safe? If you’re a Six, then your growth/stress points are Three & Nine. Maybe you use orderliness to maintain peace (chaos isn’t peace in your world!) & to perform well like a Three. The Three would also cover your efficiency, ambition, productivity, and desire to lead & work hard. Add to that a “filter” of a Loyal Six, and you’ve got you working hard & leading in order to fulfill the expectations of those to whom you are loyal, to care for those same people, and to feel secure. Does achievement and success make you feel more secure? When you’re not feeling secure, you could also disintegrate to the Three & become overly critical/skeptical both of yourself & others, while increasing your demands for efficiency and success.
Think about the wings for a Six too — Five & Seven. Seven would definitely cover your fun-loving, extraverted nature in social situations & your desire to always be doing something. The tension between Six & Seven could make sense of your “authentic” self (Six) & your “social” self (Seven.)
Also, I think the subtypes might work somewhat in relation to a person’s wing. There are bound to be some big differences between a Six with a Seven wing and a Six with a Five wing. Namely, social extraversion (Seven) and social introversion (Five).
If you and JAN really are both Sixes or both Ones, a different wing could explain some of your key differences. You could be a Six with a Seven wing who joins a sorority and the Jr. League and thrives on hosting a (kind of big) event a few times a month. Jan could be a Six with a Five wing who feels drained by social responsibilities and wants to host an event every now and then, but would most often like to pursue personal interests/hobbies, read a good book, or spend time with family. If you’re a One with a Two wing and she’s a One with a Nine wing — and all the (Jerry and Jan) Merritts are at least a little Nine-ish — you two would have some significant differences too, including you being more of a social “people” person and Jan not minding social things, but preferring not to be obligated and to have a few close friends.
But those are just thoughts!
February 14, 2008 at 4:26 pm
OOPS! JSmo! I had the wrong link for the Intimate Six! (It was Intimate Five. I fixed it.) Sorry for the confusion! If only I was a true perfectionist, I’d have checked them all before I published!
February 14, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I think that you all should not base yourself on just a chart.
February 14, 2008 at 6:58 pm
I agree “Dr. Phil.” And I’m certainly not. The Enneagram (and the MBTI, since it’s been discussed by some readers in this conversation) are not intended to define, confine, or “excuse” anyone. They’re intended to help you understand yourself and other people, so you can help get yourself and your relationships to the healthiest state.
That’s actually a decent point, DP. But if you want people to think you’re really Dr. Phil, you should say “y’all” instead of “you all.” He’s from Oklahoma, you know.
Then again, if you just want to sucker people to your website (which, for everyone else’s info. isn’t “wholesome” and has been removed to help out anyone who doesn’t want to be accidentally exposed to it, especially while at work), just calling yourself Dr. Phil is probably enough.
February 14, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Alas! I’m not a critic…I’m a skeptic!! I see it all clearly now…and Katy is right about my 5 wing. I’m a little bummed at not being linked in with 4 but now I don’t have to try so hard to be artistic and can be content at being crafty. It is right on about preferring to team up with someone ..not wanting to lead solo.
February 14, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Also..the parent style does not fit me…I was firm and didn’t worry too much about letting go. I’m not too fearful but fear of abandonment is very true and explains why friends moving away or divorcing every year really had an effect on me. As my age progresses you will have to emphasize being very direct and clear with me(ha).
February 14, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Hmmm, I am a little in denial about being a 1, but that certainly explains my 4 characteristics, and I suppose I can be a 1 with a strong 9 wing. I am also thinking that Nate is more a 4 with a strong 5 wing, with his integrate/dis point being 1.
I can identify a good deal with the description of a 1 on 9types, but I checked out the subtypes on EC and did not identify with any of those much at all. They all seemed pretty negative and unhealthy to me…
February 14, 2008 at 10:42 pm
JAN, I’m glad it’s all making sense! But I think you’re artistic! Your home is proof of that. AND you’re crafty! I’ve always kind of wanted to be crafty, but my crafts rarely turn out looking like I envisioned, so I give up on them before I finish or I finish but am so disappointed in it that I throw it away.
No, I don’t think you’ve had a hard time “letting go” of your kids. (You’re certainly not the stereotypical mother-in-law who keeps trying to hold on to her son by one-upping his wife!) And I can see you being firm with your kids. Not too firm or legalistic, but consistently enforcing the rules and values that you and Jerry established for them.
And don’t worry. We won’t abandon you when you’re old! We’ll speak clearly and directly too. :)
TREV, I don’t know how sure-fire any of this stuff is, and I’m sure there are outside factors that might affect results. So don’t let it worry you too much! But I was thinking that a One would allow you to have that connection to the Four that you mentioned feeling earlier. And, yes, if you’re a One — and you do have a lot of good One qualities — I’d say you have a very heavy Nine wing.
The EC site does seem to focus on the negative in the subtypes. (I’ve read & identified with the Four subtypes elsewhere, but I can’t remember where. I should’ve been taking notes!) I did identify with some of the characteristics in the EC Four subtype descriptions, but, on the most part, retroactively or in my occasional “low” points now. (Fours are into the past and I think I use my integration to the One to have detailed memories, so it’s pretty easy for me to think back to a somewhat “unhealthy” time and identify.)
I know it’s almost everyone’s tendency to see the negative first when it comes to analyzing themselves, but the EC subtypes really do seem to focus on it! I mean, all the examples are unhealthy movie characters! I figure that’s either because scripted unhealthy “people” (characters) are easier to identify or because the unhealthy qualities are the ones the most people need help with.
But what do I know?
Nate and I’ll have to talk. We should be able to relate! Wait a sec, I’ve got it figured out. You end up a Four with a Five wing if your parents won’t let you listen to Christian rock or dress up for Halloween! That’s gotta be it!
Speaking of talking, we all need to talk about the last two episodes of Lost!
February 15, 2008 at 8:49 am
Katy,
Great insight! The more I think about all of this in terms of MOTIVATION, the more it makes sense. With that in mind, I think it would be difficult to try to determine another’s type without taking the test, because most often, we’re focusing on personality traits/characteristics instead of motivation factors.
To take it a step further, I’m considering my motivation factors in light of nature and nurture (Dad most certainly could share the 6 with me as a source of motivation), and step further, in light of who I am in Christ, as His new creation (“God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind.”) This would be a fun session!
February 15, 2008 at 9:54 am
JSmo, you make a great point. That does make it more difficult to determine another’s style. But if we can think about our motivation and others’ possible motivations when we interact w/ them, I think the Enneagram can become something more than just a personality assessment tool.
When I made my guesses for the family, I hadn’t read very much at all. Really, just one set of descriptions. But thinking about motivation is what led me to guess Dad as either a Six or a Five. His motivation looks like Six — he was afraid of the moon! — but his behavior looks like a Five. It’s like he does Six things the way a Five would. He could be a Six with a really, really heavy Five wing. I still think Mom might be a One. She’s got a lot of Six perspectives, and she does value loyalty and community, but then I think about how she says that before she became a Christian, she saw Dad’s protectiveness as him trying to control her. Before, she wasn’t ever worried about personal safety and the like. (I’d think Granddad’s approach to keeping his kids safe would be through teaching them order and common sense. Taking control of the now, as opposed to preventing the inevitable. Mom’s approach is a combination of the two — control to prevent.) Once she began to see Dad’s protectiveness as his expression of love, I think her concern for safety became a reflection of her respect for him. That’s been so long now that she’s adopted it as her own. 25-year-old Ruth would’ve driven to Abilene by herself in a heartbeat. 40-year-old Ruth wouldn’t because her husband would be too worried. 55-year-old Ruth wouldn’t; she’d say it’s because her husband doesn’t feel comfortable, but she’s starting to think he might be right. She’ll take Janet along and be independent and safe!
But I’m not sure what that says about her style. Mom’s conversion to Christianity was so dramatic that it altered her behavior in almost every way. But when I think about it, I see that change in a very One way. She decides rock music is opposed to her relationship with Christ; she makes a commitment to reject it. She decides God wants her to be a submissive wife; she makes a commitment to suppress her inclination to lead. She decides God wants her to be involved in ministry, she makes a commitment to teach in-depth, step-by-step Bible study. She decides God wants her to be active in her children’s lives, she signs up to check-out band uniforms. The Two wing in her makes her like helping Mary so much and enjoy being with young people that she keeps doing it long after her kids graduate. That combination of One and Two makes her so good when people come (flock) to her with their heart issues — she has a heart to help them and an orderly plan to do it.
Good insights about how your motivations can be transformed from hinderances to strengths through your relationship with Christ. That’s true empowerment! I’m glad we could have this session!
February 15, 2008 at 10:33 am
So I’m either an enthusiast or a peacemaker. Farky says I’m a social seven. But, man, I don’t know. Self-analysis is difficult for me, for some reason. Maybe that’s my seven or nine-ness coming through.
February 15, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Maybe you’re enthusiastic about peace?
Or peaceful when you’re enthusiastic?
Or maybe you subconsciously chose the Seven paragraphs just so you could keep the peace with Farky. You’re afraid of being featured in “Things I Don’t Understand #13 — How in the world Steve Bezner’s not a Seven.”